Thursday, July 06, 2006

MRFF Applauds Navy's Ruling in Klingerschmitt Case

MRFF APPLAUDS NAVY’S RULING IN KLINGENSCHMITT CASE
Navy Review Finds Chaplain’s Complaint “Without Merit”

ALBUQUERQUE – The Washington Times reported this morning that the Navy had reached a decision in the case of Chaplain Lt. Gordon J. Klingenschmitt, an Air Force Academy Graduate, who had filed a complaint charging that “his commanding officer censored and harassed him by discouraging the use of certain Bible quotations.” A Navy review concluded the Chaplain’s complaint was “without merit.”

Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) founder and president, Mikey Weinstein, released the following statement praising the Navy’s decision:

“The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is extremely pleased with the Navy’s ruling against Chaplain Klingenschmitt’s complaint. We have stood firm in our belief that the Chaplain violated the Constitutional rights of Naval personnel by preaching, at an ecumenical memorial service in 2004, the Gospels – including the Gospel of John, which says that only those who believe in Jesus will have eternal life.

This is the first time that the leadership of a branch of our nation’s armed forces has spoken out against discriminatory prayer at mandatory military formations. The Navy’s decision flies in the face of the Air Force’s continuous violations of the Constitution including their dismissal of charges of coercive proselytizing against former U.S. Air Force Academy Commandant of Cadets, Brigadier General Johnny Weida ,and their revised guidelines on religion that allow for chaplains to publicly pray in Jesus’ name at mandatory military formations and for the evangelizing of subordinate personnel by the senior members of their chains of command.

The Navy’s judgment reveals the travesty of the official findings in the June 2005 Report of Air Force Headquarters Review Group Concerning the Climate at the U.S. Air Force Academy. Page 11 of the report discusses the case of Chaplain Major Warren ‘Chappy’ Watties, who during a ‘voluntary ecumenical’ Protestant worship service, ordered the Cadets in attendance to proselytize those who did not attend. The Chaplain also ordered the Cadets to deliver the message to those who refused to be evangelized that their penalty would be to burn eternally in the fires of Hell. The U.S. Air Force concluded that Chaplain Watties, who was at the time the reigning U.S. Air Force Chaplain of the Year, had done nothing wrong.

This ruling, in which the Navy has taken the position that ‘commanders can influence what chaplains say at public events, such as the memorial event, as opposed to a divine worship service’ should set an example for the other segments of our nation’s military which continue to blatantly violate the United States Constitution.

The Navy’s declaration is a small victory for those of us who continue to work so diligently to defend our Constitution.”

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The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is dedicated to ensuring that all members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the Constitutional guarantees of religious freedom to which they and all Americans are entitled by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

13 Comments:

Blogger Gordon James Klingenschmitt said...

This blog reveals Mr. Weinstein's truly anti-Christian agenda, to invade the Protestant chapel during optionally-attended, voluntary Christian worship, and punish Christian chaplains for talking about Jesus, under threat of government sword. Why did Mikey lie about the facts, claiming this was a mandatory formation? He knows the "Christian memorial service" in question was advertised as a Christian event, voluntarily attended by Christian friends, honoring the Christian faith of a deceased Christian Sailor, and the Christian chaplain was punished for quoting the Christian scriptures in the optionally-attended Christian chapel (the building with the cross on top). Does Mikey now advocate forced Jewish burials of all our Christian Sailors? Must all Christian chaplains be forced to pray only pray Jewish prayers, and preach only Jewish sermons? Mikey invades our Christian chapel to prosthelytize us, and force his faith upon us, and I'm sorry, he knows nothing of religious liberty. He appears not only the enemy of the Constitution, but the sworn enemy of Jesus Christ himself. Meanwhile, Chaplain Klingenschmitt risked his career to advocate for Kosher meals for his Jewish Sailor, and was endorsed by Abe Foxman (ADL) and the Jewish Welfare Board.

Get more facts here: www.persuade.tv

(And Mikey, give me a call...let's chat...I'm not your enemy...and neither is Jesus Christ...)

In Jesus name,
Chaplain Klingenschmitt

5:49 AM  
Blogger Sky said...

that's really funny Gordon.

Even if one fact may be wrong, you are going to wash over the others as if they are wrong too?

Do you really think Jews should be called "f*&king Jew" and "Jesus Killer"?

And how about all the other non-Christians? Do you think we just love being called Satanists by our chain of command? During my time in service, I got extra duty because I wouldnt attend religious services on Sunday. When at DFGL led services for my faith, we had "Prayer Warriors" disturbing us, nasty letters in the Stars and Stripes. Do you really think Gordon that this is acceptable?

You cry like youre the victim here, when in fact, you are the victimizer. Quit whining. Christianity is the Majority and there is no reason for the Majority to cry.

9:40 AM  
Blogger Caseymarc4 said...

WOW gordon, interesting how you refer to yourself in the third person! I am Mikey's son, Casey. Trust me I will forward your comments on to my father. You truly do not have a grasp of this situation. In fact it is YOU who has twisted my father's mission by saying he is trying to prevent chaplains from praying in Jesus' name at religious services. In REALITY, my dad has only EVER said that such prayers are illegal at mandatory formations. I have been through too many of these mandatory formations that have started off with a prayer to Jesus, and I don't need YOU telling me I need to sit through it.

Oh, by the way, my WIFE is Christian (along with my mom's entire side of the family), and my dad loves her like his own daughter. He is no enemy of Jesus Christ my friend, just an enemy to people like you who want to christianize my United States Military

11:35 AM  
Blogger Caseymarc4 said...

Gordon,
My dad is eager to talk to you! use the 'contact us' link on the website to send him your phone number, he promises to promptly call upon receipt of said email

11:39 AM  
Blogger Jeremiad said...

Mr. Klingenschmitt, your position on these issues is a case in point on how the Air Force Academy has failed in its mission to support and defend our Constitution. It is not Mr. Weinstein who has invaded your christian chapel, it is you and your cult who have invaded not only the AF Academy, but our military and government. This week over 3000 of your cultists are "invading" Washington to put pressure on our elected representatives to support Israel in their defiance of over 60 UN Resolutions and the continued ethnic cleansing and slaughter in Palestine and Lebanon. The evangelical-zionist political machine is alive and well so do not claim your endorsement by Foxman as anything special. I suppose you also have the endorsement of Haggard who has been given precious Palestinian land on the Dead Sea by the Israeli government as his quid pro quo alliance with your crusade. Mr Weinstein, has from the beginning stated this is not a Jewish-Christian issue, but an Evangelical-Constitutional issue. He is a person true to the Jewish faith and supports Christians true to their faith. He has been discredited by Foxman in addition to the other cultists, Haggard and ilk, (considered a compliment by many.) His goal is to prevent the spilling of "oceans and oceans of blood" as you and your cult promote war to further your dominionist goals. You and your cult are disgrace to the AF Academy, a disgrace to our military, disgrace to our Constitution, and a disgrace to the Christian faith. I compliment the Navy who got it right this time.

2:13 PM  
Blogger Jeremiad said...

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2:14 PM  
Blogger Jeremiad said...

Mr. Klingenschmitt, your position on these issues is a case in point on how the Air Force Academy has failed in its mission to support and defend our Constitution. It is not Mr. Weinstein who has invaded your christian chapel, it is you and your cult who have invaded not only the AF Academy, but our military and government. This week over 3000 of your cultists are "invading" Washington to put pressure on our elected representatives to support Israel in their defiance of over 60 UN Resolutions and the continued ethnic cleansing and slaughter in Palestine and Lebanon. The evangelical-zionist political machine is alive and well so do not claim your endorsement by Foxman as anything special. I suppose you also have the endorsement of Haggard who has been given precious Palestinian land on the Dead Sea by the Israeli government as his quid pro quo alliance with your crusade. Mr Weinstein, has from the beginning stated this is not a Jewish-Christian issue, but an Evangelical-Constitutional issue. He is a person true to the Jewish faith and supports Christians true to their faith. He has been discredited by Foxman in addition to the other cultists, Haggard and ilk, (considered a compliment by many.) His goal is to prevent the spilling of "oceans and oceans of blood" as you and your cult promote war to further your dominionist goals. You and your cult are disgrace to the AF Academy, a disgrace to our military, disgrace to our Constitution, and a disgrace to the Christian faith. I compliment the Navy who got it right this time.

2:15 PM  
Blogger Gordon James Klingenschmitt said...

Mr. Weinstein contradicts himself on many points, which causes me to question his sincerity. Please explain:

1) How is Mr. Weinstein's error, as you admit "even if one fact may be wrong," anything other than intentional malice, when he's twice gone on record DEMANDING THE GOVERNMENT PUNISH OUR OPTIONALLY- ATTENDED CHAPEL SERMONS? Not only does he praise the government for invading my voluntarily attended Protestant Chapel service, to dishonor the Christian faith of my deceased Sailor, but for months he's literally suing to silence Chaplain Watties for his OPTIONALLY-ATTENDED sermons in the USAFA chapel. One factual mistake I can forgive, but two? That's a trend. He's now intentionally prosthelytizing us, and using the machinery of the government to do it.

2) This contradicts his statement to the Washington Post: "Let me make it clear. I would shed my last drop of blood to defend their right to hold that biblical worldview...I will fight them tooth and nail, and lay down a withering field of fire and leave sucking chest wounds -- if they engage the machinery of the state, which is what they're doing." Well good grief, who's forcing the government upon whom? If you're really willing to shed blood to defend our optionally-attended chapel sermons, then why not issue a simple retraction of your error, and make a statement supporting Chaplain Klingenschmitt and Chaplain Watties' right to quote the New Testament scriptures in the chapel? Instead Mr. Weinsten engages the machinery of the state (i.e. federal judges, Navy skippers, etc) to enter our chapel during voluntary worship and punish our sermons? He cannot deny the appearance of hypocrisy, until he first publicly retracts his intentional, repeated aggression.

3) Here's a simple request...let's test Mikey's sincerity. No blood required, just a simple apology from Mr. Weinstein on his blog will do fine. Or if he's really brave, he could write SECNAV and request they reverse my government punishments. After all, I'm the guy with the "sucking chest wound" punished for my optionally attended sermons by the government, at Mr. Weinstein's apparent request.

4) Have any of you actually read the testimony of my Orthodox Jewish Sailor who lost 17 pounds for malnutrition? I wonder if his testimony makes you a little angry toward my Navy superiors (who punished me for helping him), or if you still praise the SECNAV decision who ruled against me (and against him too). Please read his story, and comment in this blog:

http://www.persuade.tv/againstgoliath/AppendixCtwosailors.pdf

And the Jewish Week article praising Chaplain Klingenschmitt:
http://www.persuade.tv/againstgoliath/JewishWeekStewartAin3Jun05.pdf

And the secret emails between my Commander and senior chaplain, conspiring to punish me for requesting Kosher meals:
http://www.persuade.tv/againstgoliath/AppendixU2Conspiracy.pdf

And the support letters from ADL and JWB and Jewish endorser:
http://www.persuade.tv/againstgoliath/ADLforKlingenschmitt.pdf

And how I was punished for RESISTING AND REFUSING to support "government-mandatory church quotas":
http://www.persuade.tv/againstgoliath/AppendixLchurchquotas.pdf

Please gentlemen, seek first to understand me, before you crucify me. After all, I'm sure you're not the Christian-killers some accuse you of being. But I feel this anti-Christian (and anti-Semetic) knife in my back, while you praise the government who stuck it there? Prove me wrong.

Let's join forces. We can all be on the same team here, in 90% of our goals. We're both fighting the same government-enforced prosthelytizing. They're forcing YOU to act Christian, they're forcing ME to act Jewish, all in the name of unit cohesion?

Perhaps you just can't see it, because I'm Christian, and your deep hatred for that "C" word prevents you from defending my liberty too. But you must admit, I've defended the liberty of other faiths, and yes, it's cost me a little blood, so to speak. The difference between us, then appears, that I've put my money where my mouth is, while you guys are all mouth, and no money.

Prove me wrong. Let's see a retraction, if your words have any integrity.

Gordon James Klingenschmitt
719-360-5132 cell

1:26 PM  
Blogger Caseymarc4 said...

Read Gordon: (from the Wash. Post)
"Between those two accounts lies the story of an aggrieved clergyman who believed his military career was about to end because of his insistence on preaching a fire-and-brimstone kind of evangelical Christianity ...
and who led a group of Navy personnel who refused to attend a church service led by a gay minister during Fleet Week."

Gordon, who is the hypocrite now? You are LYING on this blog, and you are NOT telling the whole story about your dismissal from the Navy! A Chaplain publicly using their position to lead a group protesting a gay minister? UNBELIEVABLE!!!
My dad's only problem with Watties' sermon was that he breached the bounds of a volunteer service by using his position and rank to tell basic cadets to go back to their bunks and tell their classmates that, unless they accepted Christ and came to services, they would burn in the fires of hell! Do you REALLY support this kind of sermon?
Now on to the second part of your lie... YOU have publicly insisted in your right to pray according to Jesus Christ at PUBLIC, non-religious events. See this quote that you gave on Tucker Carlson's show: " Absolutely. I want to stay in the Navy and I want to pray publicly in Jesus‘ name"
THAT IS why my dad, myself, and the SECNAV agree that you were violating regulations. You are ALLOWED to pray at your own services, NOT AT MANDATORY/PUBLIC EVENTS... DON'T INTENTIONALLY AND DISINGENUOUSLY CONFUSE THE TWO. you are treating my dad's criticism as a blanket attack on you, when in fact it is merely an attack on those that are attempting to engage the machinery of the state to unconstitutionally push one form of religion over another, or none at all.

Read this, again from the Washington Post:

Marks, the Navy spokesman, said "nothing has changed" in Navy policy. He said chaplains are free to pray as they wish in any military chapel or worship service. But in other settings that are essentially secular in nature, such as a retirement or memorial ceremony attended by personnel of many faiths, "we ask -- ask -- that they be inclusive" and offer nonsectarian prayers, he said.

What is so hard about that for you, Gordon?

By the way, DON'T SPIT IN MY FAMILY'S FACE by telling us that we haven't 'put our money where our mouth is' when it comes to this fight. My little brother (who, like my father and I has endured his share of the ugly side of evangelical christianity) is the 6th member of my family to sign up to fight for this country and its religious freedoms.

By the way, you said this to Carlson too: "After 14 years of great fitness reports, I‘ll be out on the street, without a job, no retirement. Is a great fitness report all you had going for you in the Navy? A great fitness report is a GIVEN Gordon. What aren't you telling everyone about your records? Hmmm...

That is all that myself or my father have to say to you. Goodbye, Gordon.

7:10 PM  
Blogger Caseymarc4 said...

One correction... My brother is the 6th member of my family to attend a Military Academy. Many more members of my family have served in the military.

7:31 PM  
Blogger Gordon James Klingenschmitt said...

You haven't read these facts...
let's slow down and listen to each other...

First, I never "publicly protested" any pro-gay church, I only refused to support the Navy's mandatory church quotas, forcing Sailors to attend a pro-gay church. Do you think Sailors should be forced to attend Sunday morning worship at a pro-gay church? I don't, so I withdrew my support, and I got punished for that, by the senior chaplains and commanders enforcing church quotas. (Again, you're not listening. We likely agree about this.)

Second, you said Chaplain Watties "breached the bounds" of a voluntary service. But wait, I thought you advocate for freedom during voluntary worship? How can you advocate for boundaries, and freedom, at the same time? Pick one or the other, but don't claim you stand for freedom, while you insist he be punished for breaching your boundaries. You cannot logically reconcile this, so your frustration shows in your vitrolic blogging.

Third, you intentionally truncated the Washington Post quote by the Navy spokesman: "we ask -- ask -- that they be inclusive" and offer nonsectarian prayers, he said. [THE PART YOU OMITTED: "If a chaplain can’t do that, he
doesn’t have to. We won’t force
him to," Marks said.]

So if the ACTUAL Navy policy permits us to pray in Jesus name, even at mandatory formations, then why was I punished? Public law US Code Title 10 Section 6031 allows Navy chaplains to pray in Jesus name at all public events, period, and it has since 1860.

The part you "carefully omitted" proves the Navy spokesman lied, and they're punishing me against their promise, when I complied with current law and policy, which supposedly permit prayers in Jesus name, while you demand they illegally censor my prayers with government punishments, which even the Navy admits are illegal, yet are routinely enacted by the majority (of pluralists) against the minority (of evangelicals).

My 14 years of award winning fitness reports are posted online at www.persuade.tv, and I've waived my privacy act rights if you want to request copies of my records, open to public inspection. I have nothing to hide. But I have alot of corruption to expose.

If your Dad's afraid to speak with me, that's fine, but I'm always open to speaking with him, even off the record if he wants, and I really do think we could agree on 90% of these battles. We're both fighting the same government, we're both fighting government enforced religion, and this shouldn't be a Jew against Christian battle. But you seem eager to make it one, and I'm sad about that.

"Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" I pray for your family's salvation, and your return to the God of your forefathers. I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and He came to visit us in the flesh, and His name is Jesus Christ. May the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob judge fairly between you and me, for He certainly will, someday soon.

In Jesus name,
Gordon James Klingenschmitt
719-360-5132 cell

9:07 AM  
Blogger Sky said...

I have seen "voluntary" services go wrong. It's still a captive audience.

When my fiance was killed, the chaplain performing the voluntary memorial service didnt even think to ask me or my fiance's family what our faith was.

He just assumed we were Christian. My fiance was Athiest and I was Neo-Pagan.

All of the friends and family who showed up were quite suprised when the Chaplain was talking about Jesus and Heaven.

We could have walked out, but we didnt because it would have been rude. We all went home shaking our heads and happy it was over with. Even our Christian friends were confused. My fiance wanted to go "to the worms" when he died-- not Heaven.

Dont think Gordon that we Non-Christians hate Christ. I personally have no problems with Jesus-- it's his frothing at the mouth followers I have a problem with.

Sky

11:36 AM  
Blogger Elshaman said...

Rome burns while you argue over religious correctness. As an outsider from a third world perspective, I cannot help feeling that when people start getting petty over each others beliefs, that's the end of community. It is a sure sign that America is slipping down the slope of intolerance towards anarchy.
Get the big picture- The USA is in the fight for its Christian heritage against the East. All signs are that it will be engulfed by just sheer demographics.
Does it matter? Well not if you are a liberal.

3:54 AM  

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